The Happiness thread, continued

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    That's so cool. Do you happen to have any recordings? Also, I will listen to the song later tonight. But is it possible for you to still sing Rusalka in practice?
     
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    I am not sure as my piano theory is pretty shaky. But I DO believe C6-E6 is a 3rd. And yeah, it's not an easy thing to sing. The note, E6 is the highest note in a Broadway song and even then, the actress doesn't sing it every night. (It is said there is a button in on set that is pressed that's a recording. Rumoredly.) Anyway, can you explain some of the music theory here?
     
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    Yeah, C to E is a third. Your original had A to C, also a third. But the C6 is an octave above the A5 (10 piano keys). A guitar chord isn't exactly a choral harmony, but you could follow the thirds skipping the C5, going A5 to E5 to G5 than hitting the C6, which is still the 3rd of A, just an octave higher. It's still a 7th chord, just slightly inverted.
     
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    Technobabble Pfffft.
     
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    Oh, yeah. I did have A5-C6. Lol. Honestly, I am still confused a bit. But it may be the way we count octaves. Because to me, Middle C is C4. I know there is a difference between UK and US Scientific Pitch Notation. What you may be calling A5, I call A4? Because I count octaves by Cs. Middle C = C4, then all the keys until the next C is 4. Then C5, all those notes, then C6. Or are we two ships crossing in the fog of night? And you're right. Those notes do track as far as I am able to follow.

    So, to explain what I mean are the following whole notes: A5, B5, C6 (High C), D6, E6.
     
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    I get it. I only like technobabble if it can make sense, or is an extension of real science. Like an expansion that is easy to grasp for those familiar with modern science.
     
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    @Catriona Grace - I listened to this song. It was BEAUTIFUL! :love:

    It may be cliche, but this is my favorite opera piece.



    I lost my mind when I was watching the 2024 Paris Opening Ceremony. Because they had this song in it.
     
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    That "Habanero" is done extremely well. (I'm not sure who the singer is, though).

    Baritenor Michael Spyres sets a blistering tone on this old favourite of mine -- I've rehearsed and rehearsed (and rehearsed) it, but it is extremely challenging. (P.S. Did I say I rehearsed it yet?) :bigwink:



    On a lighter note, this is nice.

     
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    I have no idea. I've only heard it mentioned in the choral world. So it would go C4, D4, E4, F4, G4, A4, B4? Then flip to the 5s? I guess that makes sense assuming the octave begins with C but sounds weird to me. Like the week beginning on Wednesday and ending on Tuesday. Honestly I have no idea.
     
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    Can Doug Eat Favorite Guacomole At Bantu's? Lol sorry, my mind likes to concoct these little memory devices, like All Good Boys Go To Heaven or FACE. Just a couple of the things that stuck in my head from beginner-level guitar classes.
     
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    Every Good Boy Deserves FACE is the most succinct.

    My favorite is the circle of fifths:

    Father Charlie Goes Down And Ends Battle.

    Then the inverse for the circle of fourths:

    Battle Ends And Down Goes Charle's Father
     
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    There it is! I was trying to think of Every Good Boy Deserves Favor. Hey, I learned that—geez, like 50 years ago now!
     
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    It hasn't changed in the last... 400 years? I don't remember when they codified the pitches, but it was a long ass time ago. It's all very basic, first grade, counting on the fingers math in the end, but thinking of sounds as integers is a mental pretzel.
     
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    Oh, I know. I was saying that's why I remembered it wrong, it's been 50 freakin' years! I was a kid at the time.
     
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    Yes, it goes like the way you said. It does make sense to count by C's, so when I look at a Music Theory book going A to A, my brain becomes confused. Because as a singer, I count octaves by C. I don't know either, honestly.
     
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    I learned it as 'Every Good Boy Does Fine', but that never worked for me. Because I found myself forever counting the staff and it never stuck. The only thing that did was when my singing teacher said 'yes, the notes turn upside down when you get to B on the Treble Clef'. To me, there's no way around memorizing all spaces and lines in relation to where they are on the Staff. I am not sure how to explain it, but I know that a note is E, because it's the 1st line. Then B is the 3rd. But counting up or down doesn't work for my brain. LOL.
     
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    Wow, that's another amazing song. I loved listening to it. (Do you happen to have a recording of you?) I am so impressed by the rapid singing and that high note. It's impressive.
     
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    Makes sense to start on C, with it being the base key of all naturals, though you see the key of G much more often in the guitar world. And, yeah, you have to memorize the staff. No way around it. And you have to memorize the chord placement on the staff too, which is fairly straightforward most of the time because the harmony of thirds just skips one line or space.

    My teacher is always hammering the intervals into me. He says the only thing you really need to know is how much space is between one note and the next, which again makes sense for the guitar because you have multiple positions and layers of notes to choose from. He'll tell me to play a note and then call out a minor third above that, a flat seventh above that, an augmented fourth below that, and so on. Not easy at all but I'm learning.
     
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    It does make more sense to start on C. But yeah, I learned the hard way, there is no easy way. For me, chord placements are difficult, because I don't know my intervals too well. (Any tips?) Although, I am a beginner on the piano. Your teacher sounds amazing. (Does he do long-distance lessons?)
     
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    Tips for choral voicing? Not really. A guitar harmonizes while a singer can only sing one note at a time. I guess I would practice against another instrument (or an app that plays pitches). Or another singer. Y'all must practice harmony in some fashion, no? Either way, get something that plays a note, then practice singing thirds, fifths or whatever to the note. They all sound the same relative to your starting spot.
     
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    look up ear training resources on youtube or somewhere
     
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    Yeah, I do have a singing teacher and practice as much as I can. I was asking more about piano. Because I'm still searching for one that works well for me.
     
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    Some people can sing two notes at the same time. Freddy Mercury and dude from Police Academy who did all the sound effects with his voice. So, anybody only singing one note at a time, get on it—you're just not trying hard enough! (Kidding!) :supertongue:
     
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    Intervals on a piano are easy. Just count the keys:

    1 key: minor 2nd
    2: major 2nd
    3: minor 3rd
    4. Major 3rd
    5: perfect 4th
    6: augmented 4th/flat 5th
    7: perfect 5th
    8: minor (flat) 6th
    9: major 6th
    10: minor (flat) 7th
    11: major 7th
    12: octave

    Bing bang boom!
     
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    Thanks for this! I'll save it somewhere for me to reference later.
     

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