Is there a "best writing program"?

Discussion in 'Writing Software and Hardware' started by littlebluelie, Dec 30, 2008.

  1. Starcatcher

    Starcatcher Member

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    I've also noticed this with supposedly "accurate and reliable AI that can make any script better." Dunno if I should name the website. Let's just say, it could give decent advice on foreshadowing but when it came to being subtle, sometimes when I'd outright have a character say something, or when I'd say, "Hey, I've got this whole thing planned out. You're just meant to beta read, not control the narrative." It'd get confused. It also randomly would say, "I'm not comfortable. Please stop." And wouldn't explain the problem. Nothing inappropriate happened, it just wouldn't do its job until I moved on. After almost strangling the computer, I decided to just do my best and simply wait until an actual human could read it.

    I still think PWA's critique feature is pretty good. But, you know, have an actual human double check your work, just to be safe.
     
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    Xoic Prognosticator of Arcana Ridiculosum Contributor Blogerator

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    Yeah, AI is like a bunch of robots getting better and better at imitating human beings, but however good they get at pretending, they're not human, and can never be. For one, they lack an unconscious mind, which functions differently from the conscious. It's the ceative part. They're like purely left-brained people who have no soul or creativity, and want to do everything strictly according to rules they've memorized. They're about as 'human' as freshly-dead zombies that might not look too far gone, but have no humanity inside. Or like those trained chimps that wear little coats and hats and pick up pens and cigars, and at times you swear they're thinking just like people, until suddenly they do something completely chimplike and not at all human, like try to eat the cigar. There are moments when you can be fooled, but not for very long. And the weird thing is most people seem happy to buy into the charade, as if they believe AI is super-smart and capable of everything people are. Those people are just projecting their own ideas and humanity into the AI, it isn't there at all no matter how well they can fool some people.
     
  3. Mogador

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    Agree. AI won't make anyone redundant or kill off anything creative. But the people wielding it --- people in positions to make decisions, who have no genuine faith in humans and you get the impression don't really believe that humans other than them are really sentient --- they will.

    Its amazing when you consider it.

    We'll strain every sinew, rinse every investment fund, to press AI into service in fields it is patently ill-suited for, or at the very least which will require vast expense of resources to become competent in. That is called progress.

    At the same time we are all quite content to walk into a supermarket and watch a couple dozen of what is certifiably the most powerful and subtle super-computer in the world --- the human --- stack shelves.

    I don't see anything wrong with stacking shelves. I did it and I wouldn't mind doing it again.

    But it is breathtaking that no-one in 'AI' thinks--- "wait, why are we developing all this artificial 'intelligence' when we are taking so little interest in allowing the full expression and exploitation of the natural intelligence of the 7bn people we already have? Why do none of the tech-bros in San Francisco walk through their local Walmart and think, "wow, think of the problems these guys could solve if I hired them into some sort of structured human-run logic programme?"

    Stack shelves in the morning, because someone's got to; solve the world in the evening, because computers are a bit shit at it.

    But the tech-bros just ignore the shelf-stackers and go back to the office to build their energy expensive simulacrums.
     
  4. w. bogart

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    Which raises the question of why focus on AI systems? How much more could be learned by focusing on expert systems of various types? Many of what some class as menial jobs have a value that often escapes people. Those are the jobs that introduce young people to the workforce.
     
  5. Amontillado

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    I learned something new from this thread. SPAG, a skill set seldom given due respect. It is how we communicate for the ages, after all.
    Unfortunately, this is one of the times I hate the voices in my head. To those rowdies, it sounds like British slang.

    Somewhere back in the cheap seats I hear someone guffawing, "Shall we spag now, or spag later?"
     
  6. w. bogart

    w. bogart Contributor Contributor Blogerator

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    Lovely spag! Wonderful spag!
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    Sorry couldn't resist.:supergrin:
     
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    This is kind of silly, but it intrigues me, too.

    MindNode (Mac only) can be used as a Markdown editor.

    Make a MindMap. Perhaps view it as an outline to drag and drop nodes in the order you want.

    Export as Markdown. The node titles become "#" headings in the Markdown export. The note field for each node is the text under the headings in the Markdown output.

    Going the other way, open a Markdown file with MindNode, either a Markdown file created with a MindNode export or any Markdown file created with anything else.

    The "#" headers become node titles, and the text under them becomes node notes.

    Following the method to ridiculous extremes, you can even have a mini-Scrivener mode.

    Switch to outline view. Use the settings menu at bottom right to hide the notes. Turn on the Inspector pane and choose the notes tab. Viola. Mini-Scrivener mode, activated.

    MindNode is not supposed to be a Markdown editor. It won't "save" a Markdown file, you have to "export" to Markdown. Saving writes a MindNode format file (which you could export to Markdown later).

    On the other hand, it works. You can fold headings. You can drag and drop rearrange your document and you can view your Markdown file in either outline or mindmap view.

    That also suggests a mind mapping workflow I've never used. Shotgun ideas into a mind map. Switch to outline view and rearrange into a narrative. Write your novel there, or export to Markdown or docx to continue in a more traditional word processor.
     
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