The symbolic meaning of Loki—the dangerous narcissist within us all

By Xoic · Aug 1, 2020 · ·
  1. I've been studying mythology pretty intensely for a while now—really fun and fascinating stuff! And I find the more I learn about mythology and its symbolism, the better I'm able to write and conceptualize, it's like the secret code that unlocks your mind's potential.

    I've already made 2 entries concerning mythology (I'll add a tag for it if I can do that in here), and with all the extensive notes I've been making lately I thought it would be a good idea to extract some of it, try to work it up into something more readable, and drop it in here. Much of it will probably still sound like notes to myself though, sorry about that.

    My focus at first was on Norse mythology. I had written my freshman term paper on it and was always fascinated by it, but decided to dig deeper. I started by downloading a few books. The particular ones this entry is focused on are:


    In the Days of Giants is a much better book, but it didn't include the most important story—Ragnarok—about the death of the gods, so I also got the other one. Here are the stories I think are most important for understanding Loki and his place in the pantheon:

    In the Days of Giants:
    • The Beginning of Things (prologue)
    • The Magic Apples
    • The Dwarf’s Gifts
    • Loki’s Children
    • The Quest for the Hammer
    • Baldur and the Mistletoe
    • The Punishment of Loki
    Definitely read the last 2. And the preface, it gives some good information to help understand the mythology, for instance that the Frost Giants represent winter, cold, snow and ice, storms etc, and that dwarfs represent the spirits of the mountains and the caves, and of mining and fashioning metals and precious stones. You could skip any of the others if you want, but reading them will really enhance your understanding of Loki's relationship with Thor and the rest of the Aesir. Actually I really enjoyed the entire book.

    Asgard Stories:

    Just the preface and the final tale, The Twilight of the Gods. Those are the only ones I read from this book. Mostly I wanted to read the story of Ragnarok (the Twilight of the Gods) because I was very surprised it wasn't included in the other book. It’s really the most well-known of all Norse tales.

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    Narcissist Notes—on Loki:

    Obviously the Narcissist was well known always, and a huge part of Norse mythology is devoted to endless warnings about the untrustworthiness of the wicked-hearted, who bear glad tidings while cloaking wickedness against you in their hearts, for they secretly burn with envy at any good things that befall you, and they lust to enact their revenge against you when they think it safe to do so, though until that time they take great pleasure in pretending to be your friend, while gloating evilly inside.


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    Finished the book. It ends with the final fate of Loki, as if the entire book is only about his arc toward ever-increasing evil and deceit, and ends the only way it can, with everyone hating him and determined to make him suffer the punishment he deserves for all his many crimes.

    One thing I noticed was the strong similarities with the story of Abel and Caine in the Bible, but that one is hard to understand. In light of Loki's arc in this book however, it all makes much more sense. Interestingly, Loki invented the fishing net and it was used against him to capture him. Similar to how it was the children of Caine who brought Craft into the world and taught it to Man.

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    This occurred to me this morning while looking through Asgard Stories. Crappy little book, conceived to bring Norse tales to children and add a strong Christian element to them. It’s poorly written compared to In The Days of Giants, and much seems to be left out. Fenris Wolf never even shows up for Ragnarok!

    But there’s some explanation of some of the symbolism. I need to look back at it—oh, I remember, it's explained that the Giants are personifications of Winter, Cold, Ice and Storms or something similar. I think the Aesir, like all gods, are the elements of the Psyche personified. They put in a paragraph at the beginning of the book that essentially said “Forgive the silly Northerners, they lived long ago and didn't know there’s only one God, so they made up stories about many gods." Well, understanding the nature of the psyche as divined by Jung, the many archetypes can unite into the One, the Self. This happens during Individuation. And of course, all the Pantheons I'm aware of have an Allfather, the King of all the Gods and literally the father of them all too.

    I suddenly realized the importance attached to Loki. Not only is he a warning to be watchful against your narcissist friends and family etc, but against narcissism in your own heart as well. This parallels the same insight I had about Satan—he's the deceiver inside your own heart and mind, and God is your better judgement, that you should listen to more. I think it's part and parcel of a proud warrior culture. How often Thor bristled with indignant pride or simmered resentfully when made to look bad—that's him giving in to his inner Loki.

    Also, interesting that Thor's death came from Loki’s child the Midgard Serpent, after he killed it. The mist of its poisoned venom drifted into his face and killed him. That’s exactly the punishment for Loki in his cave, the poison venom of a serpent dripping into his face for all eternity. It also symbolized his poisoned thoughts and words and resentment. Plus it’s a freaking serpent! The poison-tongued deceiver of the Garden of Eden. In fact, I believe thinking back, that all the gods died due to Loki's children. It was the narcissism in the Norse warrior culture that killed it eventually, and they saw it coming from the beginning.

    One important thing said at the beginning of Asgard Stories is that the writers decided Norse mythology is a good place to start for we descendants of Northerners, we Teutonics. We can understand them far easier than the subtle and very different myths of the Mediterranean. They said the simple directness of the Vikings is much closer to our own heart, as well as being much more direct and easier to understand than all other myths/religions. This seems to be true.

    All the pantheons (the ones I know anyway), though they do have multiple gods, always have an All-Father, the greatest of them all, the literal father of all the other gods. So it actually fits the human psyche better than a monotheism (with a split-off Devil for God’s evil side).

    Another important factor—Loki was killed by Heimdall, and also killed him. It's intense watchfulness that destroys the narcissism in your heart, though it can still take you out in its wicked deceitful death throes.

    I was wondering why Balder is the god of beauty, but so is Freya. I think he’s the beauty of the natural world and she’s probably human beauty. Maybe?


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    More thoughts, and further explanation on earlier ones—

    Noticing a lot of connection between Loki and serpents. One of his children is the Midgard Serpent, the monster who wraps himself around the world and eats his own tail, and kills Thor in the Twilight of the Gods. Loki is the Norse equivalent of Satan, and in Genesis Satan is seen as a serpent who told Eve to eat the fruit the the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, which is often shown as an apple. Golden apples were very important in Norse mythology.

    Poison-tongued serpent is an epithet usually applied to liars and deceivers and flatterers. Satan tempts and deceives people, in some accounts it's really all he can even do. You must stay strong against his deceits and cast him from your world or his poison will seep in little by little and destroy you.
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Comments

  1. Lazaares
    I have always felt a far stronger connection between the characters of Loki and Lucifer than between the former and Cain. These are all based on the idea of a common set of Indo-European motives also sharing similarities with Prometheus. Both Loki and Lucifer suffered being blinded for their transgression against worldly order and all three above are associated one way or another with fire or light. The ideal of freedom vs self-determination has long been a matter of contemplation for humans and even today it remains one of the more controversial topics. Mind, this assumes the Alexandrian interpretation of Satan.

    The most interesting part in this is the common understanding and attitude to each of these precise deities. Lucifer is mostly understood as inherently negative and evil, Loki is often understood as evil or a neutral trickster leaning towards evil. At the same time, Prometheus is held in great esteem as a largely positive father to mankind, a victim of the gods' wrath and is eventually redeemed and saved. At one point I dedicated some research to this topic and found that Lucifer's incorporation of near-eastern topoi has posed him as the Zoroastrian dualist deity against the monotheistic one-god thus reducing him. Any work that deviates from this influence allows the Promethean themes to thrive and thus paints Lucifer in a far better light (the controversy around Paradise Lost).

    The simpler answer is explained through Christianity's gradual distancing from paganism and the tropes they initially borrowed to form the base of their mythology (as well as their general distancing from mythology). This is underlined by the merging of Hades and Prometheus into one character; albeit never precisely stated in the Bible itself.
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  2. Xoic
    From Jordan Peterson's Biblical lectures, I gathered that there's an ongoing motif throughout the Bible of Opposed Brothers, the first of which is Abel and Caine, and that it results ultimately in the duality of Christ/Satan. Or God/Satan if you want to see it that way, since apparently the idea is that Christ is in one way the Son of God but also he is God in human form.

    In another sense, Lucifer, Loki and Caine are all perfect Shadow figures, the dark frightening aspect of the self that people tend to split off and see as Evil, but that according to Jungian psychology needs to be understood as parts of yourself that you don't want to recognize or accept as you.

    I'm not sure how that's supposed to work—I don't think it's wise to accept the malicious deceiver within yourself with open loving arms, but it is important to recognize it as a part of yourself that you tend to project onto other people. Accept that it's a pert of you, but remain vigilant (your inner Heimdall) and learn to recognize its sugary, poisoned voice and refuse all of its temptations and hollow promises. This was the lesson of Satan's Temptations of Christ. Jesus had spent 40 days and 40 nights wandering in the desert, which apparently equates with fasting, meditation and prayer while avoiding all worldly sins. This makes a person strong spiritually (meaning inwardly, as opposed to physically). And I've learned when I'm able to live like this for periods of time I'm far stronger and clearer. It's what Peterson refers to as "Do what makes you stronger, not what makes you weaker."
  3. Xoic
    Yes, especially if you compare the Satan of Genesis (the serpent) against Old Testament God, raining down destruction all around (Sodom and Gomorrah for instance). In the OT in fact, Satan is almost a savior rescuing Adam and Eve from a spiteful dictatorial tyrant.

    But both God and Satan changed significantly by the New Testament. There it's clear Satan is the poison-tonged deceiver and Prince of Lies, and God is the source of all Good. I suppose the OT is much closer to pagan roots. I think both God and Satan need to be seen as essentially very different characters in the Old and New Testaments.
  4. Dalantri
    This was a fun read. Growing up I was really into mythology, especially after watching Steve Reeves’ Hercules and then Thor in comics. I was a teenager before I learned that mythology was actually religion to older cultures.

    I eventually stumbled onto the works of Joseph Campbell who taught and wrote about comparative religion and his interest in the MANY similarities of different religions across the world and through history. What you wrote reminds me of that realization as well.

    An ironic twist as I write this is the same similarities of characters in comics by different companies (because despite my many interests, comics will always be a passion). Nearly every company has their iconic characters of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash, and Spiderman, to name a few.
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  5. Xoic
    Oh yeah, I love Campbell's Hero with a Thousand Faces and a bunch of other comparative mythology books. I got that one shortly after it became known that Star Wars was largely based on a reading of it. You know, back when the first movie was still the first movie and it was actually called Star Wars.

    And good point—you're right, superheroes get recycled as much as mythological heroes and characters. I guess they're all instances of Archetypal ideas, the kind that crop up all around the world, at all points in history, and in people's dreams.
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  6. Dalantri
    I guess it’s not surprising that I was introduced to Joseph Campbell after Star Wars too! I thought the concepts in Episode 4 made for a pretty good story. Learning the archetypes were from Campbell made it an easy draw for me.
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