Esoteric meanings of Sin, Original Sin, Adam and Eve

By Xoic · Jan 30, 2022 · ·
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    Esoterically these things take on different meanings than the exoteric (outer) ones. Once you understand what they mean esoterically (and a few other important concepts from scripture) it becomes clear there's nothing really metaphysical about the Bible, it's just life wisdom encoded in religious metaphor.

    Bear in mind that Heaven and Hell aren't places you go to after you die, they're states you live in. It even clearly states several times in the Bible that the Kingdom of God is within you. I used to think it was a simple matter of when you do good things you experience happiness or contentment, and that's heaven. And hell is a tormented conscience for your wrongdoings. And that's definitely part of it, but not all of it.

    Heaven–the Kingdom of God, means the state of meditation. Entering it means shutting off the conscious mind, the logical, linguistic and judgmental part that separates everything into pairs of opposites and likes to label one Good and the other Bad or Evil. When you're in the meditative state you enter a different kind of consciousness, often called the Christ consciousness. It doesn't know the opposites, it accepts everything as equal. It doesn't dwell on the past (regret) or the future (anxiety), it lives only and always in the present moment–as Eckhardt Tolle calls it The Eternal Now:


    In this state you don't get upset, you don't get caught up in arguments, and you feel a constant low-level bliss or at least a contentment. This is Heaven. It's also referred to as Eternity, since it's a timelss state (eternal). In the meditative state, as when you're caught up in something that fascinates you powerfully enough (artistic creation for one), you become unaware of the passage of time. Ergo a timeless state. So when the Bible speaks of Eternity, it doesn't mean the same thing science does. And it doesn't mean the Afterlife. It means the inner life.

    The sins are simply a list of things that break you out of that connection with God, that pull you out of blissful meditative contemplation (the temple?) and thrust you firmly into the carnal mind (as John St Julien likes to call it–the mind that's of the flesh or of the world). Shrines, churches, temples, cathedrals etc are all physical representations of this quiet contemplative inner state, places where worshippers can achieve that state without the diversions of the world intervening.

    Original sin was originally called inherited sin, and that's a better term for it. All it really means is that we inherit sin from our parents. "The sins of the father shall be visited even unto the seventh son of the seventh son." This just means that as human beings we live in physical bodies and have an ego–we're destined to live in sin, and we must struggle to free ourselves of it as much as possible. We'll repeatedly get drawn into the carnal mind and out of peaceful spiritual contemplation. Only Mary was free of sin (among actual human beings). This is the true meaning of the immaculate conception–that Jesus was born of a woman completely free of sin. And of course Jesus, Mary and Joseph were all symbols used to relate the story. Nothing in scripture is intended to be taken literally.

    Adam and Eve symbolize the conscious and unconscious minds. I was getting inklings of this in some of my posts in here, where I link the Yin/Yang concepts of the masculine and the feminine with the conscious and unconscious minds. I just found what looks to be a pretty decent esoteric blog explaining some of these things:
    The guy has kind of an annoying way of rambling all around his point and never actually saying it, or only obliquely hinting at it though.

    One little factoid I learned some time ago that I like–there was a mistake in translating the language for Adam's rib. The word for rib can also mean an entire side, as in for instance a side of beef. Well, that paints a totally different and much more enlightening picture! A side of beef is half of a steer. It means Adam was split entirely in half–"Male and female He made them". So it started with what Pythagoras (or one of those Pre-Socratics) would call a round person or a complete person, containing both masculine and feminine, and then split them into the conscious and unconscious minds.

    All of this tells me I was on the right track a few pages back when I suggested that creation myths are really stories about the birth of conscious awareness from the undifferentiated unconscious.
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Comments

  1. peachalulu
    If you erase Jesus's act as mere metaphor you erase the entire gospel. The sacrifice is pointless if it never happened. And the Bible becomes just another guru manual on how to make you, your own god. Be real careful. God made it pretty clear in the scriptures, there is no coming to him but through Christ; he is the door.
    And given that we are coming up to a time prophesied, it's not just a book of metaphysical teachings, it's a history book important enough to warn us of things to come.
    One thing about the bible is two things can be right at the same time. People can be existing and fulfilling a metaphor at the same time. Right now we could be fulfilling a metaphor in the book of life - or even entering mindbogglingly into the last chapter of the Bible or our children or grandchildren. Of course I'm a bit biased about this being Christian.
    No hard feelings.
  2. Friedrich Kugelschreiber
    "Once you understand what they do mean (and a few other important concepts from scripture) it becomes clear there's nothing really metaphysical about the Bible, it's just life wisdom encoded in religious metaphor."

    but this completely defangs it. The whole point of the bible is the physical incarnation of Christ; it's kind of pointless if you just treat that as metaphor.
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  3. Xoic
    Thanks, I appreciate the concern.

    Try looking at it this way–this is an alternate explanation that brings in people who would otherwise be atheists, the ones who can't believe in a literalist reading.

    It certainly doesn't promise to make you God, it allows you to get in touch with God's wisdom through an inner source.

    The Bible is written so it has meaning for everyone, whether they need a literal interpretation or an esoteric one. That's one of the amazing things about it.
  4. Xoic
    Been listening to a lot of Richard Rohr lately. He has a great way of expressing the underlying truths. This stuff is salve to a parched soul.

    He also wrote a number of books on the subject.
  5. Xoic
    How do Esotericism and Mysticism relate to each other?

    I became interested in this distinction this morning. Is one a subset of the other? Are they separate things? Is there any problem in combining them? Here's an article I just found:

    "This is a functional definition: What is esoteric is inner, hidden from outsiders, non-public, and in this context, associated with secret or semi-secret spiritual teachings.

    "Given this functional definition of esotericism, we can see that mysticism falls naturally within it.

    "Indeed, one could well argue that mysticism represents the purest form of esotericism, in that mystical experience is inherently esoteric, that is, an inner dimension of religious experience clearly distinguished from ritual or institutional religious practice even if the mystic endorses and draws upon the latter."

    Obviously these days it's no longer necessarily hidden, except in the sense that it isn't widely known. No longer is it carefully guarded by secret societies with strict prohibitions against sharing the knowledge, it's freely disseminated through platforms like YouTube, and in books. I feel blessed to be alive in this time when such knowledge has become public, and that I've discovered it.
  6. Xoic
    I believe I know what the danger is

    I think it was in my comments under the previous entry where I mentioned a mysterious danger involved in Contemplative Prayer (meditation practice including some prayer/inner dialogue). And it's the same danger associated with Jungian Individuation (truly an esoteric/mystical practice) and in the various other methods of spiritual awakening.

    It's what's sometimes called the Ego Death, or the Dark Night of the Soul. It's what was represented in the comment I made yesterday about Easter and the Flood story both referring to the same thing; the need to crucify or kill off the Ego—the carnal mind, the selfish divisive part of yourself, in order to make room for the Greater Self. In Jung's terminology the gradual dissolving of the ego and the coming-to-terms with the fact of the Self, the Archetype of Wholeness, which he also at times calls the God-Image within the unconscious. It must be constellated, brought into being gradually, through a lot of meditation or Jung's Shadow and Anima/Animus work. It's what John St Julien calls the Christ-consciousness, that grows as you get deeper into meditation practice and through contemplating the mystical/esoteric wisdom.

    Whatever terms you use for it, it's a dangerous thing. If you don't have a sufficiently grounded/secure ego you could suffer a neurosis or a psychosis. That's why this must be entered into carefully–why it was said that "If you aren't ready to go all the way you shouldn't play at praying."

    I suppose this has always been known, and may even have been a reason for the need to be initiated into a secret society in order to learn this stuff—so the masters can determine if the initiate has a strong enough ego structure (whatever they would have called it) to make it through.
  7. Xoic
    Shadow and Anima/Animus work is "The Garbage"

    This just hit me. I used to wonder why Jung's method requires Shadow and Anima/Animus work, whereas the Buddhist-related methods don't.

    On a Richard Rohr video I saw yesterday I think, he said when you're doing contemplative meditation "The first thing that comes up is the garbage." Meaning that for the first 20 minutes or so you'll have to deal with all kinds of thoughts and feelings of your inadequacy, your failings, etc. Reasons why you aren't worthy of the gifts meditation will eventually bestow. Of course! This garbage is what Jung called Shadow work and Anima or Animus work. He just broke it down a little more specifically, into 2 parts.

    First he says you must deal with your shadow—learn to stop projecting it out onto other people or situations and accept that it's really your own. After a considerable time of this, you'll graduate to seeing anima or animus figures in dreams, and dealing with the things they represent in your life. The anima and animus deal with how you relate—both to other people/situations, as well as to your own innermost world; the unconscious. Rohr simply combined all this and called it The Garbage. Interestingly, when you're dealing with Shadow work, you'll often see lots of refuse, dark scary alleys, and literally garbage in your dreams.

    Turns out the 2 methods aren't so different after all...
  8. Xoic
    How to deal with sins

    Since I discussed what esoteric religion says the sins are in the post above, here's what you should do with/about them (as well as I currently understand it).

    Right off the bat you'll realize some of them you already have pretty well under control, or at least better than the others. Maybe you don't have much of a problem with anger, envy and greed. So you should pay attention to the others, beginning with the one you have the worst issues with. Try to get it under control to what extent you can. Hint—the more time you spend in the meditative state the harder it is to be angry, greedy, or in fact to exhibit any of the sins except spiritual pride maybe. So as you gradually become able to maintain that blissful state longer and longer, even while interacting with people and such, your sinning should just naturally fall away stage by stage. It's only when I fall out of the meditative state that I become argumentive.

    But of course we're all human—we all have egos (unless we've dissolved them through meditation) and are immersed in what the video above calls Inherited Sin (commonly called Original Sin), so it's not hard to fall into identification with one opposite and blame the other for all the world's ills. Maybe a political affiliation or a religious denomination, maybe a male/female thing, or a racial bias, what have you. Or any number of other dichotomies. If you can truly maintain the meditation state while interacting you should be able to see through all these dichotomies and unite the opposites—to see them as not really opposites but as complementary to each other, as Yin and Yang really are. That's the ineffable mystery of the Yin/Yang symbol, they're not really opposites, in fact neither one could exist without the other for contrast. That's the part people tend to miss.

    This is why the meditation state is also known as non-dual thinking.
  9. Xoic
    Just ran across this in the Universal Christ video I linked above:

    "Mystic means to see in wholes, instead of in parts. What makes something pornographic is you just see part of it."

    To see things in wholes is another way of saying to unite or reconcile the opposites, to see things not in terms of dichotomies, but as complementary to each other or necessary to each other.
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